Anne Marie Mohan:
Hello, I’m Anne Marie Mohan. I’m senior editor with Packaging World Magazine, and I’m coming to you live from the Plastics Recycling Conference here in San Diego. And today I’m here with Crystal Bayliss. She’s the interim executive director for the U.S. Plastics Pact. So hello Crystal. How are you?
Crystal:
I’m doing well, thank you.
Anne Marie Mohan:
So in February, the Pact introduced a comprehensive framework for film and flexible packaging recycling or circularity in the U.S. The framework examines this challenges and the opportunities in packaging design, film collection, and end markets, and it offers recommendations for each stakeholder to advance film circularity. So could you tell us why flexible film recycling is such a critical issue, and what are some of the factors that make it such a challenge?
Crystal Bayliss:
Yeah, so that’s a great question. So there’s a lot of benefits to film and flexible plastic packaging, particularly because it’s lightweight, and so you don’t need as much plastic to protect the product, which allows you to save money. You can design great functionality for the consumer, you can get more product onto a truck, which saves in transportation emissions, and those are all great benefits. But then on the flip side of it, because the material is so functional, they’ve had to combine different polymers to be able to get that functionality, which makes it challenging to separate and recycle. And additionally, the lightweight nature of the film makes it challenging to collect. And when they do collect, you have to get so much film before it’s of weight that makes any money in selling it. And so there’s not a lot of economic incentive to collect and recycle it either.
Anne Marie Mohan:
So what is the scale of the issue? How much are we losing flexible film and a flexible film to landfill?
Crystal Bayliss:
It’s definitely the vast majority of it. Estimates vary, but about half of film goes to the consumer or residential and almost all of that is not recycled. And then about half of it is in a business to business setting, and that can be collected and recycled a little more, but the estimates on that are still pretty low. So when you think about all the different types of plastic packaging, film makes up a considerable amount of the total plastic put out, and it has some of the lowest recycling rates across the board.
Anne Marie Mohan:
So being in the media, we’re seeing press releases all the time about a new initiative, a new coalition that’s addressing flexible film recycling. Some of them include the Film and Flex Taskforce led by the Circular Action Alliance and the peer collaborative led by the Film and Flex Recycling Alliance, I think, which U.S. Plastics Pact is working with. And then we have the industry-led U.S. flexible film initiative, and then there are others led by PLASTICS and the Alliance to End Plastic Waste. I just had that come across my desk. So how does the Pact’s framework complement these efforts, and what does it add to the discussion?
Crystal Bayliss:
Yeah, so there’s so many efforts because this is probably the biggest challenge when you think about advancing a circular economy for plastic packaging, it’s so complex and you have to stand up a completely new system in order to do so. And so there’s got to be significant design changes. There’s got to be collection infrastructure, there’s got to be end markets with demand for that recycled content. And no one organization can do all of those things, which is why you’ve seen so many different organizations pop up, and they’re focused on their area of expertise, which is really important because these are technically complex problems and you need people to focus on their area of expertise. But at the same time, if you’re not all driving towards the same end goal, you’re not going to get there because if you are misaligned on what the design standards should be, comparing that initial design to the end markets and what they can actually recycle this as an example, and also thinking about what’s the collection mechanism for that.
If you’re not aligning all of those efforts with the same baseline understanding, it’s just not going to work. And so what our framework did was take a look at where all of the current state of all of the initiatives are, where we made progress, where we haven’t. And it is a clear call for all of these organizations to be working together. Some of these organizations pull together lots of different companies, and that’s great, but also then the different organizations need to work together on a higher level too, to make sure that we’re going in the same direction so that we’re complementing each other, and we can have maximum efficiency in making this change to a circular economy.
Anne Marie Mohan:
Okay. So one of the things that really stood out to me when I read the framework was that it talks a lot about how the demand, demand for recycled film is really the key to making circularity work. And could you explain a little bit why that is?
Crystal Bayliss:
Yeah, so we live in a capitalist society. The laws of supply and demand are in full effect all the time. It’s basic things that everyone learned in high school or college economics. If there’s not demand at a profitable price, there is no incentive to make the material. And so if you think of that in terms of recycling, you have to have demand for the PCR in order to incentivize folks to recycle it, in order to incentivize folks to collect it. And we see huge gaps in that area in terms of the demand for the recycled content. I see a lot of efforts happening on collection and even thinking about what types of end markets can take that material and process it. But if those end markets don’t have someone to sell to, they’re not going to be viable businesses. And so we need to make sure we’re focused on that because ultimately, for example, if you think about the evolution of the phone system, when my mom was growing up, she had a party line where she shared with eight neighbors, and now today I carry around a small computer in my pocket. And we didn’t get from that to that in just a year in just one step. It took lots of different steps, but there was economic demand at a profitable price for the phone. And so the innovation came along accordingly. And in the same way, we have to think about how we can incentivize this to transform the entire system to get the infrastructure and the technology and the innovation that we need to make that happen.
Anne Marie Mohan:
So when we’re talking about film to film recycling, how can brands build up those end markets?
Crystal Bayliss:
So the very first place I would encourage everyone to start is to think about their shrink film that they buy. Usually that’s secondary packaging. It’s usually not food contact. It can tend to take a significant amount of PCR. I’m aware of some companies putting as much as 50% PCR into that shrink film. And so that’s a great place to start. And if you can’t get to 50% initially, can you do five? Can you do 10? Can you build? Because if there’s that demand there, that’s going to incentivize the collection, it’s going to incentivize folks to invest in washing capabilities and recycling capabilities to get higher-quality film coming through that Then you can put into more applications. There’s other things too that are not necessarily primary packaging related. So if you think about putting it into pallets or can you put it into the trash bags that your company buys, or there’s lots of other durable things as well. And if you think about that tiered approach, like party phone to rotary, landline to car phone to cell phone, we can eventually do the same thing with film and get to more film to film recycling.
Anne Marie Mohan:
Okay, that’s interesting. I usually think about film to film as being in packaging a primary package to a primary package. But yeah, shrink film, stretch film, maybe that’s where you start and build to something that’s more food contact if ever possible. So the report encourages brands to move from multi-material to mono-material films, but then it also acknowledges that some applications just aren’t there yet. Where should companies focus first? What can they realistically tackle now versus what needs more innovation?
Crystal Bayliss:
If you take a look at our report and also at our problematic and a necessary materials list, we took the approach from what would have the biggest impact now. So if you think about something like a box of cereal, like the bag inside of a box of cereal, or you think about a bread bag, and those are fairly large pieces of plastic, they tend to be clean and dry, and someone will want to collect and recycle those. I wouldn’t necessarily start with your tiniest piece of plastic. That’s going to be a challenge to collect or something that has a ton of food contamination that no one’s going to want. But if companies really focus their efforts on where it’s going to make the biggest impact of those pieces of plastic in which folks definitely want to recycle it, I would start there because that’s going to have an immediate impact in terms of the amount of plastic that can get recycled. Ultimately, we need to solve all the applications, but you’re not going to do it overnight. And so if you do what you can now and then that allows more runway to work on those more difficult applications that need additional innovation.
Anne Marie Mohan:
So there’s also a call in this framework, a call to action for brand owners to support collection infrastructure and secondary sortation, not just to redesign their packaging. So how do you see CPGs stepping into that role, especially those who may not traditionally think of themselves as part of the recycling system?
Crystal Bayliss:
Yeah, so I think it’s important for brand owners to realize that if you’re putting packaging onto the market, you’ve got to really think about how it’s going to get collected and recycled. And that’s the whole nature of EPR or extended producer responsibility, putting that responsibility back on the brand owners. One thing that I think is a challenge is that there’s a lot of brands that would love to see film collected curbside everywhere, and maybe that is possible, but right now there’s a lot of challenges around that. And if we set that out as the only means to collect film, you’re going to lose out on a lot of opportunities to collect meaningful amounts of film in other ways. And so I think there’s a couple things they can do. So there’s different organizations that invest in collection infrastructure. You can definitely partner with that. You can do clear guidelines for how to dispose of your packaging on the product.
If it’s not recyclable, say it’s not recyclable so people don’t toss it into a bin and contaminate the recycling stream. If it is recyclable, give clear instructions on taking it to a drop-off location. And then finally, as a lot of these companies are working on EPR, whether it’s direct lobbying or indirect lobbying, but I would really recommend that they advocate for all viable forms of collection to be considered because it would be very challenging to get to a state in which curbside could be universally available to consumers for collection mechanism. And so we would want to have depot drop-offs or potentially a second bin for collecting from home if that’s the case. But really thinking through what’s going to get us quality film that’s going to get quality PCR, that can still get collected in a large amount and exploring those different options and advocating for it as such.
Anne Marie Mohan:
Okay. So I know I believe in Oregon with their EPR legislation, now they’ve been able to fund some drop-off locations, and I don’t believe those are for flexible film, although they may be. But how much do you think EPR will impact or accelerate progress in this area if done well?
Crystal Bayliss:
I think it can rapidly make progress. There’s a lot of things that have to go into it though. So you’ve got to make sure that those drop-off locations are accessible. You got to make sure that the instructions to consumers are clear, you got to make sure that’s convenient hours, et cetera. As we were developing the paper, we talked to one organization called Recycle Here in Detroit, and they had a whole drop-off system that had a variety of different community engagement efforts and things like that. And so it was fun to show up and recycle your product, and people were dropping off more than just flexible film, but it was a really interesting model for what you could do if you just took some time and energy and focus on what works for that community. And so I think if we try to not necessarily take a broad brush and apply it to everything but do smaller strokes and figure out what works in each spot, I think you could really make progress.
Anne Marie Mohan:
Okay, great. So if we look ahead three to five years, what would meaningful progress on film circularity look like and what milestones should the industry be watching for?
Crystal Bayliss:
Yeah, so I think in the next three to five years, you can see significant improvement on the design side. So if you think about those larger pieces of plastic things that are like shelf stable applications, the bread bags, the cereal bags, those things, types of things I talked about, all secondary packaging, et cetera. You can see a lot of progress in redesigning to mono-material formats, even if in some frozen and refrigerated applications, you can see continued progress there. Heat treated, that’s a tough one. You’re probably not going to see that one completely fixed in five years. On the collection side, I think you will see ramped-up collection. It’ll be interesting to see how it pans out because I think a lot of folks are hoping for curbside collection, but you are seeing more scaling on the drop-off in-depot side of things.
And then I think it’s going to be critical for any of this to work to see improvements in that recycled-content inclusion. So for example, in our Roadmap 2.0, we have a goal of having 15% PCR and shrink films, I think 20, 27, and 30% by 2030. And so those would be some mile markers to watch for. Does shrink film have it, are you seeing a lot of trash bags with recycled content in there? Pallets can take how many times can take flexible film, and so what percentages are you seeing there? And I would encourage companies also, when you think about the recycled content claims that you’re making in your sustainability reports, don’t just think about your primary packaging. Also think about office supplies, plant supplies, durables, et cetera, and think about how you can start using more PCR content there. I think you could really see the needle move on that front in the next three to five years as well.
Anne Marie Mohan:
Okay, great. Well, it’s an exciting time with EPR and all of these organizations focusing their time and attention on flexible film recycling. So it’ll be interesting to see what happens. It is an exciting time. Thank you so much.
Crystal Bayliss:
Thank you for having me.
